While reading the Hansard transcript for the March 24, 2005 member’s statements, I noticed the following coming out of Mark Holland, who is the Liberal MP representing Ajax-Pickering (between Toronto and Oshawa). Note that this sort of partisan bickering happens all the time in the house, so I’m not concerned with the parties being slammed, rather what the MPs themselves say:
Mr. Mark Holland (Ajax�Pickering, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, one week ago today Conservatives met to have their opinions silenced at their convention. As I look across the floor, I see a divided Conservative Party in disarray, out of touch with Canadians.
I see a Conservative Party that will threaten progress on social issues, while Liberals defend health care and work toward a national child care program. I see a Conservative Party that–
Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
The Speaker: Order, please. The hon. member for Ajax–Pickering has the floor and I cannot hear a word he is saying because there is so much noise. We need a little order in the House. The hon. member for Ajax–Pickering.
Mr. Mark Holland: Mr. Speaker, I see a Conservative Party that, at any cost, wants to cut taxes while the Liberals have made Canada the only G-7 nation that is debt free. Will that party do that at any cost?
I also see a Conservative Party that wants to roll back minority rights, while the Liberals move forward with a progressive and inclusive social agenda.
As I look at a divided and backward Conservative Party and I contrast it against Liberal accomplishments, I have never been more proud to be Liberal. The Conservatives can keep kicking their chairs in frustration while they still have them to kick.
The problem is that the statement “the Liberals have made Canada the only G-7 nation that is debt free” is false. Canada is not a debt-free nation – at the end of January 2005 it still has
$597 billion in interest-bearing debt. About $178 billion of that debt is in the form of pension guarantees. What Mark Holland undoubtedly wanted to say is that the nation is currently
deficit free, not debt free. We are a long way away from being truly debt free, and we are one economic cycle away from going back into deficits.
What is particularly sad is that member’s statements are prepared in advance – it is not like he was in question period, where there is considerable pressure to come up with on-the-spot answers. Secondly, Mark apparently has worked as a financial advisor before he went into politics (he got elected at the age of 30, which is quite young). Shouldn’t he know the difference between debt and deficit?
There is an important distinction between deficit and debt – deficit is how much more money the government spends than it collects in taxes. If the government spends more than it receives, the difference is called the deficit. If the government spends less than it receives, the difference is called the surplus. Debt, to give a rough definition, is the total sum of accumulated surpluses and deficits. The bad part about deficits is that it allows debt to accumulate. The bad part about debt is that you have to pay interest on it, year after year, until you pay it off. A small amount of debt is tolerable, but when you have nearly $600 billion to pay off like the Canadian government, that represents a huge amount of interest you have to pay each year – $34 billion right now. If interest rates rise, the interest bill will increase.
I sincerely hope for the good of the country that the politicians up in Ottawa know the difference between debt and deficit, otherwise we’re all going to be in deep trouble. It’s clear that Mark Holland doesn’t. Right now we set aside $3 billion as a contingency reserve if there are unforseen shortfalls in revenues – if this is not spent, then it is applied against the debt. At this rate, we will pay off the debt in 200 years. If our interest rates rise and we have to pay 0.5% more yield on the loans the country has taken, that’s good enough for the $3 billion right there.
The government should come up with a formal debt management plan involving the pay down of debt – they already have one, but I would like to see something that would involve the entire debt being liquidated in 25 to 30 years. There is no reason why a first world nation like Canada should have a debt as large as ours and there is also no reason why Canadians have to pay $34 billion in extra taxes each year to service this debt. At the very least we should squirrel away $10 billion a year to cut down our debt and reduce our sensitivity to rising interest rates. The worst case scenario is that if we need the money, we can always borrow it again. If we pay it off, we will never have to pay it ever again.
Unfortunately the political reality suggests otherwise – in the 1970’s Trudeau was the first to discover the wonders of deficit financing – you could buy votes with the taxpayers’ own wallets. Mulroney didn’t help throughout the 1980’s. It was only until the early 1990’s where Canadians discovered that the increasing debt was going to cause huge problems for them in the future. That same debt is still causing Canadian problems and will continue to for the next generation. We should rectify this mistake as soon as possible by eliminating the debt like Alberta has.